( Dayleen Felt made a transcript of a tape recording)
Key: G=Gale, D=Dick, R=Russ, N=Norene (Renie)
Gale is the son of Clarence and Rachel Felt. He has a brother, Taylor. Clarence is the brother of Charles Ray Felt, making Gale a cousin of Norene, Richard, and Russell Felt. Gale came to town from Olympia, Washington, with his second wife, Virginia. Dick and Dayleen took them over to Lehi to visit with Renie and Russell. His address is:
6848 Lakeside Ave., S.W.
Olympia, Washington 98502
He has a son living in California who is on the police force as a detective. His name and address are:
6249 Camino Manzano
While staying here he stayed at another cousin’s home in Orem:
175 East 1000 South
Orem, Utah 225-3759
Our visit that evening begins with the conversation between Gale, Virginia, Dick and Dayleen in the car driving over to Lehi:
G: I had one friend who was a mining broker and I told him about some of the property that Howard had up in Utah there and so they got together and we and this friend of mine had a Bronco and he brought one of these self contained trailers and we just went meandering up and then Howard raced up to meet us there, cause he couldn’t be away very often.
D: Now who’s Howard? Robinson?
G: Now let’s see… that would be Aunt Chloe’s sister’s boy, if you know who that is, Well, let’s see (who) Howard would be – you know where the ranch was in Deep Creek, Utah, out in Ibapah? Well, let’s see, there was Wade and Chloe Parrish. Chloe was grandfather George D. Felt’s sister, and she was married to a Robinson and Howard would be her son, that would make (him) another cousin, probably once removed. (Howard had a brother Felt Robinson)
D: Howard, didn’t he live in Los Angeles?
G: He’s down around Long Beach. He has a garage down there, which he’s done real good on. I was just telling Dayleen (Dick was putting gas in the car) I saw him in about 1971. A good friend of mine was a mining broker and I told him about the properties Howard had there, he’d been developing…. Howard’s brother, who’s passed on now. And so the two of them got together and made a date with me up there. I was in _________ convalescing and so we just took a meandering trip through Las Vegas and spent the weekend up there. Howard said he didn’t have the time to go over and visit everybody and he said “I’ll get heck for it”and we never did get over to visit but I have been out there a.. but, wait a minute, it was when my brother was still alive- that was Taylor- I got time off on weekends and I took one of the company trucks and I forget what the metal was that he had (on) some properties up there… but I had these friends that were interested in minerals and they wanted to come up and look at it and so we got the weekend off and my brother and myself brought up one of the company pickups and I saw Feltie and, of course, Howard was still in Long Beach, and we saw all the folks that were still around the old ranch there. But you know, I can’t remember any of the younger one’s names any more.
D: I have a hard time myself. We haven’t seen Chloe for a while, but we get a Christmas card every year.
G: Well, now, is she still alive?
D: Yes, she lives in Salt Lake.
G: Well, how old would she be?
D: I think maybe she’s close to 90, I’m not sure.
G: Because that strain of the family lived to ripe old ages.. I know Great-Grandpa Felt was way up in his 90’s and Grandfather Felt, he was up in the 90’s
D: He was 92 and Grandpa Felt was 96, I believe
Dayleen: This family lives a long time.. these Felts.
G: Either a long time or a short time!
Dayleen: Well, what was your illness.. what did you have?
G: It was –what do they call it—Murphy’s law, whatever can happen will?
D: You had a little of everything, huh?
G: Yup. When I went in they told me it was a diaphragmatic hernia and they were going to repair it, and in talking to the surgeon he figured that in about 4 weeks I’d be back moving around good, but I couldn’t do any heavy work and like that, and so I went in and in about a 1 1/2years later I got out, and then they didn’t know what to do, and I just quit going. Everything happened. In the year and a half they had me under the general anesthetic nine times, and I think the cut about 4 or 5 times; and they did two other operations when they didn’t have time to get me in so they did it in the room. They finally put me in the UCLA Medical Center and the resident doctor there who had charge of me came in one night after they worked on me in the room (I was scheduled to go into surgery and I had waited all day long for them to wheel me off—you know, usually they take you off in the morning- and then late in the afternoon they came rushing in and said they were still tied up and one of these men were going to do it here in the room, so they moved my bed partner out and came in and did it with a local. About the time they got done and got me all bandaged up this chief surgeon came in and took all the bandages off to look at it and said “My God, what next?” Actually the only thing they all agreed on was that I shouldn’t have oughta made it with all the things that happened. They would just get one thing under control a little bit and something else would happen that was completely unrelated and it just went on and on and on.
D: Well, now Taylor… was heart trouble the problem with Taylor?
G: He had a brain tumor and he went really quick, and I was thankful for that.
D: I remember now.
G: It was a portion of the brain that if they had operated he would just have been a vegetable.. There’s no percentage in that.
D: Now what has happened to his wife? And children?
G: Now Helen has remarried… well, she married once and it was a disaster and it didn’t work out at all. But now she has remarried and is very happy and her kids.. let’s see, John her oldest boy is up in Schoship?, California working in one of the shops for one of the lumber companies. Jim is one of the mechanics for the motorcycle racing teams that goes all over the country.. in fact, he went to Europe this last year and the year before. It was probably 3 or 4 years ago he got the AFA Mechanic of the Year award, so he must be pretty good at it. Although the last time I saw him was when Aunt Dell, which would be one of my mother’s sisters on the Taylor side- she lost her sight and I rushed down there to see if I could help because there wasn’t anybody else to go and while I was there, well Jim had been in New Orleans and set the bike up for the race the next day and went out on the track and lost it and broke his back, and they shipped him home in a cast and I got to talk to him for a few minutes because while I was down there they took Virginia to the hospital in intensive care for her heart and I couldn’t leave Aunt Dell, so I got to see Jim , but he’s all right now and back.. I don’t know what team he’s with, but he’s got his second marriage. His first marriage lasted a month, and I think she married him for all the money he had because she cleaned him out and within a month she was gone. He has a really nice wife now-I haven’t met her but this is what I’ve what I’ve heard, and she travels with him. And then Sharon, the oldest daughter, she has her second marriage—her first one didn’t work out. This second one, I’ve met Dave, her husband, who is a manual arts teacher, oh, around Oxnard in California. It was strange, I got a call in Olympia one night and it was Sharon, and she wanted to know where we lived. Dave’s father was up there just about 3 miles from us visiting his brother and they were pulling a trailer and he slipped and hurt his leg and he couldn’t drive any more so—I mean it was going to be months—he called down and wanted Dave to come up and pick the car up and pull the trailer back to California. So while they were up there they give us a call- and I mean they were right next door- so I got to meet Dave and see Sharon. And the, let’s see, there’s Marlene- that’s the other daughter, and she’s never married. She’s still single and there in Calif. Out in the Tarzana area, which is where Helen….
D: Is that where she lives?
G: In the Trazana area?
G: Out in the valley. Out Encino and Tarzana in that area. Well, that’s where my brother moved after he left Englewood.
D: Were you in the machine-shop business, or was Taylor? That sticks in my mind, and I don’t know whether I’ve got it right.
G: During the war his health was bothering him and the doctor told him to get out of the plant. And so when he went home (and we always had a little shop in the back yard) and he started contracting out of there and it got going pretty good, and so he finished the war out that way. When I got out of the service we built a little shop down in _________ , California, and built aircraft parts for quite a while, and then that closed down and we sold out just at the wrong time…right after we sold out the Korean War broke out, and I think before that all the aircraft factories were trading parts to each other just to keep alive.. but I was never sorry to get out. And then he left and went out to Tarzana, and he went into electrical work…was an electrician for a while, and then he went back into machine shop work, and then I went south down to Costa Mesa, and I was intending to get back into….diesel…..I hunted around down there for work down there where we decided to live and build a house there, but there was nothing going much except carpenters work and concrete, so I went on with a concrete crew…
D: Uncle Clarence, your father, he was an electrical contractor, he was just a superintendent on the job?
G: He was because I know as a kid he’d bring home all these sectional plans of each floor, and of course it didn’t mean anything to me. They were these cardboard backed plans.
D: I remember Dad talking to my Mom about he used to work at college ______
G: He used to work on the ________basin project…of course I was so small I don’t remember …
Dayleen: How old were you when your father died?
G: I’m not positive, but I think I was around 9 or 10.
D: I know I never did….I can never remember Clarence. I can’t remember now Dad telling me…I think I was just small, or I don’t even know if I was born yet.
G: I don’t think you were born yet. That was the first part of the depression.
D: Well, I don’t think so. I was born in 33. I was either not born or (NOTE: they arrive at the Charles Felt home in Lehi). This is the old place right here. That’s where I grew up right there in the brick house. And next door is Aunt Norine, where the Foxes lived. My sister, Norene, lives right here..now she’ll be down here with my brother.
G: Now behind there..that’s where the chicken ranch was
D: Uh-huh, the chicken coops and everything else back there, and right here is where my Aunt Norine is. And this is where Aunt Nina lived, right there. That home is still there.
G: I can always remember great-grandpa (Charles Felt) Felt sittin in the chair in there. You know he used to come to California every year when I was a kid and he’d always _______up the Doby Gardens for Grandma Felt, and Grandpa Felt. Boy, he was a terror behind the wheel. It got so they wouldn’t let us kids ride with him. He’d just floor board it and go. And it was the last time he drove to California he rolled that car three times.
Dayleen: Now this your father’s father? No great grand father.
G: Uh-huh. Now Grandpa Felt, George D. I got a kick out of him, because he couldn’t get a driver’s license, but he’d still take the car out, and he drove with a heavy foot at the last. I know, right after the war, he was in good shape and he went out to Nebraska to pick out the car and ____it wasn’t worth a darn. It ended up my brother sold Grandpa his car and he took the old ______just so he’d have a good car to drive.
D: My grandfather, George Daniel lived in Santa Monica or Culver City. Dad went down there to see him just before he died….
G: That’s the last place I saw your dad. I was working up in Malibu Canyon. If I took the coast route home, even though it was a little slower, then I could go right by their place and see them. One weekend when I stopped by on my way going home, your Dad was there so I loaded him in the car and we went on down and he spent the weekend with us in Costa Mesa and I dropped him off when we went back Sunday night.
D: That must have been in the ‘60s
G: I believe it was..the early ‘60s. Because that was right after I got the ____.
D: I was playing professional football. I remember playing in Dallas once and I was on a trip down there to see, I believe it was after Grandfather had died.
Dayleen: Well, I remember George D. Felt.
D: Oh, did you?
Dayleen: I remember he was a tall, thin man. I don’t remember where. It had to be here.
D: It might have been. Up here. He may have come up here.
D: This is Russ (Russ Felt)
G: The only name I can remember from all of you is Renie. I don’t know why. When I was down at Roy’s there and was thinking of trying to look some of you up, he says, “Well, why don’t you look in the phone book under Felt and maybe it will register.” And when I come to Richard that kind of rang a bell and that happened to be it when I called.
D: I’ve been surprised that there are as many Felts in the area as there are in Provo.
R: Well, there aren’t very many (in Lehi) there’re only 2 or 3, but I thought we were the only ones in the phone book here.
G: When I first moved to Washington-like I told you, my son managed a trailer park in Morinda there was a Felt in there that was a spitting image of great grandfather Felt, and as I understand it, from here-say and way back in the family there were two brothers to great grandfather and he had a brother and one went to the northwest, but in talking to him I couldn’t make any connection, but when I seen him I thought that was great grandfather Felt sittin there. And he passed away, I guess about two years after we were there.
R: You’ve got to back up for a few minutes, where are you (living) now and ….
G: I’m in Olympia, Washington, now but before that I raised my family in Costa Mesa, California, and before that us kids were raised in Englewood until my Dad died and then later on we had a machine shop out in Lennox, California, right near ______, in fact they were our biggest customer.
R: Now your dad started that, didn’t he? Clarence, didn’t he start…G: .oh no,…
G: No, he was gone, oh I think it was about in 1932 when he died.
D: I thought it was Taylor.
G: Oh Taylor, now during the war his health wasn’t too good, and the doctor told him to get out of the plant where he was working, so he went home and we had a little hobby shop in the backyard and he went to work making aircraft parts out there. After the war, when we got out we went into partnership and built a building down in Lennox and opened up a shop there. Then we sold out and he went to Tarzana, Calif., and I went down to Costa Mesa. He went into the electrical field for a while and then he went back into tool and die making; and I ended up in construction down there and then finally into heavy constructions where I was moving all over the state.
R: Now how many children have you got?
G: I’ve got 4 boys, and this is my second wife. My first wife and I divorced after we moved to Washington, which was about 1971. My health was pretty bad then; in fact, it was about 1968 I had to quit working, and it was about 1970 they went to work on me, and about a year and one half later they couldn’t decide what to do with me and I ended up here in Washington where one of my sons had a chance….to go back up there. I had a friend up there… I should back up a little further… I met him through one of my boy’s boyfriends and he was a mining engineer, and in talking to him.. I had found some chrome on a property when I was out on a construction job and just let it set…well, it was good stuff.. well, he introduced me to this other fellow, a fellow by the name of Durenburgh and we went out and checked that property and I got to be good friends with him, but it was owned by too many companies, and he was a mining broker, well he liked to treasure hunt and he had a little money, which I found out later. Well, he hired my son, who had been diving for a living and he had a mooring and boat maintenance service there in Newport Beach. Well, he hired him to go up on Puget Sound and dive on a reef out there for a treasure ship that he’d heard of. He had a map and all this…well, it ended up they dove on wrong side of the reef or something..they never found anything. But on the way up he stopped in this trailer park for the night, and they saw this Mooring and Maintenance Service sign on his pickup and the guy that owned it came out and they got talking and he asked him if he wouldn’t like.. after negotiating about six months, well Randy went up there to manage the marina. But, to back up a little farther, about a year later the fellow that hired him and one other guy they got away with about $2 million and one of them was in South America. This other one who had control of the trailer park, well, he borrowed about $250,000 on it and that had disappeared, so they left for jail and my son and daughter-in-law ended up managing the whole trailer park and everything. About that time I had got out of the hospital and they invited me to come up there to recuperate, and I liked it so well I sent back and sold out and moved the whole family up there. That’s how I got to Washington. Then it wasn’t too long after that my first wife and I separated and I got a little better and started chasing the girls again and met Virginia and now we’re real happy.
R: Are you just vacationing down here now?
G: Right. We’re on our way to California. We’ve been planning this for about two years. It’s coincidence, I have a son in West Va., right near Washington D.C., and her son, who lived in Costa Mesa, has been sent back there on a pilot project for a year (and each year they tell him a year more), and so we’ve always been waiting for him to move to Calif. So we could go down and visit them together, because on of my son’s is still down there.. and finally the day has come, so we headed out. But, we live just outside of Olympia.
R: I want you to back up just a ways and pick your brain just a little. Uncle Clarence, I can remember Dad talking about how he passed away. There was something about a mine in Mexico, is that right?
G: Right. There were 3 or 4 of them in partnership, and this was right in the middle of the depression, and they had some kind of mine in Mexico (it was gold that they were after). And they would go back and forth, and Dad worked for a little while after he was back here and when he was setting a pipe he cut his finger on threads and then went back down. Now one of the men that was partners was a doctor right there on the site, well they didn’t think anything of it. Well, up here on his arm here it looked like a boil on his hand, and before long it was blood poisoning Now days, all they need to do is give you a shot of penicillin and it would be taken care of. Well, he was in the hospital just a little over 90 days, because I can remember mother saying if he had died just a few days sooner, she would have gotten double indemnity, but he just barely went over the double indemnity time.
R: What year was that
G: Now I’m not positive but I think it was about 31 or 32 because it was right in the middle of the depression. My mother, course I never knew it at the time, but I was amazed at what she did. She took his insurance money, and, of course, we moved in with Grandpa Felt-and they just lived, oh, about a half a block down from us on the same street, and we moved in with them, and she went to beauty school and got out of the beauty school and opened up a beauty shop and made a go of it.
R: And then she….
G: Yah, the only thing I can remember on that is I hated____ she would write out these little things in long hand (her specials) and us kids would go out and deliver them to houses. I hated that, oh I hated that.
R: (Looking at family history records ) I don’t know what you’d be interested in..maybe Dick’s talked to you about it, but we ran into a lady up in Ogden who is related to the Felt family, and they’ve got the genealogy work done way back into Sweden, I don’t know if you’ve seen it
G: Yes, I have
R: But we have a list of this stuff, and I just pulled it out and looked at it a little bit ago, and it goes back into 1700 in Sweden with the Felt line.
G: No, I’ve never been able to trace back or I haven’t seen anything traced back on the Felt side.
D: You know, I had something happen to me in church one day. A fellow came up to me, I’ve kind of forgotten, I should have written it down, but he’s from San Diego and he was visiting Provo. He heard my name, Felt, mentioned, I think I was conducting or something, and he said, “I wonder if we’re related.” I think his name is Felt, but during the conversation with him trying to track down he traced to Huntsville to the Hendricksons, I think it was..
D: Hendricks. Now Hendricks, let’s see that was…
G: That was my Grandfather Felt’s.. was Molly Hendricks. All I ever knew was “Molly”.
D: It was “Molly”. Now it seemed like that this fellow’s father married the sister, or something like that, that was Hendricks, because I think I remember the name Molly and I think I even went home and got checking in this. I’ve forgotten it now, doggone it, I gave him the information…
R: You’ve got copies of all this that we’ve got (did he have them)
D: Yeh, and if this fellow, apparently, his father or his, maybe his name is Hendricks, or something, but anyway, that might have been it, his name might have been Hendricks, and it was his mother that married a Felt, or well, anyway, that’s not right. Well, anyway, we traced it back somehow into the, you know, into Huntsville into this Hendricks family into our Grandfathers, let’s see, what was it again?
R: It would be grandfather, George Daniel’s wife was Mary Ann Hendricks, and I think she was called Molly
G: I never knew the Mary Ann, all I ever knew was Molly.
D: And I think it may have been her sister that married into this family or some darn thing.
G: Well now there was a Mose Hendricks who was Molly’s brother that was down there, I know he started to work for the Adore Creamery, and Mose came down, and it was right at the tail end when they were switching over from horse carts to the ______es and he took care of the horses, and then as soon as they phased them out he was out of a job. I can remember that. And, let’s see.
D: I can remember Dad talking about Mose Hendricks
R: Sure, I remember that
G: Let’s see, there was a Mark Herron
D: That’s right
R: He lived south of here. Mark lives in, not Delta, but Hinckley. He lived in Southern California.
G: Yah, I remember him down there
R: The blacks started to move into his neighborhood and so he sold out. He didn’t like that ideas, and so he moved up here to Hinckley.
G: I can’t even remember now the relationship. Was that?
R: See, Mark Herron’s mother was Nina Herron, and Nina Herron was a sister of Grandpa.
G: Oh, that’s it
R: She was a Felt… that was Aunt Nina. So there was Mark, and who were the other Herrons, wasn’t there a Gale Herron, too?
G: That was a son
D: There was another Herron….
D: Yah, Max
G: Gale was a son. I can remember him because Grandma -----ed him when he had an appendicitis attack and he ____up on the floor and they had to rush him to the hospital.
R: Mark was an unusual guy, Mark Herron. He had some unusual ideas about life and was really a character. We haven’t seen him for a long time.
D: Have you seen him?
R: Not in a couple of years.
G: The last time I seen him, the only thing I can remember was he was training to be a swimmer and he was going through all these facial exercises, that about all I can remember about him.
D: That would be Mark. What was that story? I know Dad told it.. I know he told it on Max. I don’t know if it was Max or somebody when, who was it that had passed away, maybe his father, Nina’s husband.
R: Uncle Charlie Herron
D: Charlie Herron, or maybe it might have been great grandfather Felt. And he said Max looked at the casket or something and said, “If Grandfather would raise up and look at his posterity, he’d lay right back down.”
R: I’ve heard that, and I can’t remember who it was now.
G: I can remember there was a Charlie Felt out in the valley that had a chicken ranch. Yah, this was in Southern California. I know during the depression my Mother used to drive over there and get eggs, and she had an egg route around town to help make money because there wasn’t anything going around.
R: I don’t know who that would be, though, but I’ve heard Dad talk about it.
G: The Charlie Felt there… that was a brother of Grandpa Felt, George D. Felt. But let’s see…I can’t remember his wife’s name… and then they had a son and daughter, but I’ve got the address of the daughter… they retired…Dot
R: I’ve heard that name.
G: Dot, and then what was the son’s name? He worked at the Adore on the gas pump, I remember, Adore Creamery for years, and what the heck was his name? But, you know, Grandpa Felt was the 2nd employee, I think, that was hired at the Adore Creamery and when he retired he was the oldest employee they had. In fact, he worked for them way past retirement age.
R: I can remember Dad talking about that and about them giving him a gold watch, didn’t they? Or something like that. Do we have that gold watch here?
Dayleen: Now when you talk about Grandpa Felt, that’s George D. and when you talk about great grandpa Felt…
G: That would be Charles Felt, but not George
R: Yuh, but not..
G: Not Charlie Felt the brother of George
R: Well see, my mother put this together… there’s Charles and Clarence, and then George D. (their father) and then another Charles Felt back along the line (George D. Felt’s father)…
G: Well now, this one here, Charles Felt, would this be the father?
R: This is the father of George.
G: Then there should be a Charlie Felt, a brother of George.
R: Then that’s the one that must have been, that’s the one in the valley
G: In the valley that had the chicken ranch
R: And then there’s a John Felt (Charles Felt’s father) from Sweden. ….by the name of Myrtle Hyde up in Ogden and we could give you her address and you could write her and get this same information and they trace it on, and we sent back, I don’t know, a couple of dollars, to pay for it, but the Felt name changed in Sweden back in 1795 because somebody in the army had a duplicate name and somebody had to change their name and she has traced that and it is the same family. We can establish this Hjo, Sweden, and they have got it clear back into here, into the early 1700s. And then they have got somewhere in here. They have written, each year they write something about, they need to ask us to make a contribution and we never have done it, but we have never even been to the reunions up in Ogden, but this is that John Felt that is back there about 3 or 4 generations, a picture of him, from the county in Sweden… this is the guy that changed his name.
G: That is Charles Felt, our great grandfather, does he have a brother?
R: I don’t know. See, that is all I know.
G: In my mind I can remember, like ourselves, where the one went to the northwest and one stayed here in this area, and I think , as I understand it Great Grandfather Charlie Felt he was the freighter ….I know they were talking…
R: Out on the desert here. Yeh
G: Somewhere, I mean freighting. I know they told me the story where, what the heck was it?, where he went in and stole the mules from the army.. he hauled his dead ones in and left them and took the live ones out.. and got away with it.
R: I don’t know that story. I know that this individual … one of the stories they told about him was that he freighted between Ibapah, out here south of Wendover and he freighted into the rail spur where ever that was, it was 50 miles, it might have been Wendover and it might have been somewhere else, and that he was held up at one point and one of the two that held him up was going to shoot him, and the other guy said, No, that he knew Charlie Felt, and he knew him as an honest man and to let him go, and that is the only thing that saved his life.
G: There was the other good one I remember as a kid on Great Grandfather Felt (Charles Felt). What was it, the battle of Bunker Hill that he was in? It was one of those battles. He had his musket hanging in Grandmother Felt’s, which would be Molly Felts’ living room, and also his powder horn. And he’d show us kids how they loaded, and I was just a little squirt, and I was wondering how you kept from getting shot when it took so long to load the gun, and he said “Well, there weren’t that many around”.
D: It was taking them a long time to load, to, maybe, huh?
Dayleen: Don’t you think they look alike? I mean that there is a Felt resemblance between cousins.
D: Well, I was looking at Gale, and I can see my Grandfather, George Daniel, and my father.
Dayleen: Well, I remember meeting George D. , he must have come to Lehi. When we were staying there or whatever. He was at that house.. and I remember that he was tall and thin, but you look like him.
G: He was the most even- tempered person I ever knew. The only thing I can ever remember that he would do when something was irritating he would just kinda shake his head a little bit and then ________ but he’d never holler at you or anything, he’d just shrug it off like that. He sure had his faculties right up to the last. Boy, he really did. I know I smoked for years and years, and I quit for about 3 months and my family didn’t even notice it, and we went over to the place in Culver City after he’d been married (I think it was Christmas or New Years or Thanksgiving) and as soon as we finished dinner he always went into the living room and light up a cigar, and so we went into the living room and lit up a cigar, and he looked over and said, “You don’t smoke anymore, do you?” And he’s the first one that noticed it in the family.
G: At that time I was working away from home and I’d only get home on weekends, but none of my family even noticed that I didn’t smoke, and so he picked it up right then.
D: I can remember Grandpa, he’d smoke the cigar
D: Here’s Norene, my sister
G: My Gad
N: Hi, how are you Gale?
G: Well now, let’s see… is there a Norene and Renie here? Well, I’ll be darned, now I’ve forgot Renie. This is Renie
N: I am Renie
N: And I am Norene
G: That’s the only name I remember
N: I know, how are you?
G: Well now, where’s Norine
D: Now, Renie’s name is Norene, but she’s gone by Renie all these years. And this is Norine Fox, my mother’s sister.
G: Oh, well, this would be the Renie I remember. Now I got it
D: We were just saying, how I could see Dad and Grandfather Felt looking at Gale, you know, the Felt resemblance
Dayleen: Felt Robinson resembles him a little bit
G: My gosh, the last time I seen him I was telling you we went up to look at his property and we went up the side of that mountain, and I mean I was working in construction and I was in pretty good shape at that time and we went up the side of that mountain and there was no way I could keep up with him. I mean he was _____ and going like mad.
D: What was it Dad used to say? I can’t remember how he said it, but something like if there was a medal or something for record keeping, he’d win it. He had all this mining property, and he kept records of everything
G: He spent his life chasing the stuff out in the desert there (pine nuts). But he really didn’t hit it (minerals).
N: I think he did. From what Dad aid he had some pretty valuable property….
G: Here’s what I don’t understand. When I went up with my brother on that trip, I told you, in the company truck (that was the last trip I ever had with my brother before he died and which I really am thankful for that because we got together, and you know, you’re working and raising a family and we were living about 50 miles apart and so you don’t see each other every day, and so we got this long weekend together. But when we went in up in the upper shaft of the copper property there, he said there was, they had brought out, about $30,000 worth of copper ore, and that was at the time when there was a mill close by so they could handle it, but he wouldn’t let them have that unless they’d take the profit from that and put in the shaft down below to hit the mother lode. But when this friend of mine went up there to investigate it and the mining engineer went with him, they never did come across any of that. Now I wasn’t there with them then and I could have pointed out where Feltie told me where it was, but I know this mining engineer he raised the money to go in and develop it, you know, to prospect it, I should say again, but after he’d been there about two weeks he sold out. He said he couldn’t see with what money they had that they would really find if it was there because you’d have to be a little cautious, unless you’ve got enough to do it, and then you’d have to figure out how much you could spend and expect to stay clear, but the work he did there, though.
N: He did quite a bit, and he had copper, and maybe something else, and I’ve been out there, and I remember where the one was
G: Now is that the one, at the turn of the century where they went right down through the top the mountain and got silver?
N: It might have been. It was out in Cedar.
G: I can’t remember the places, but this particular one they drove a shaft down this vein and got a lot of high grade silver out of it, and then it made a little jog and went down, they probably went out and came in the side o the mountain with a tunnel and hit that and he dropped out this copper ore in there and then he thought the mother lode was down below, so he went down at the base of the mountain and started in. And then there were 3 other fellows, as he explained it to me, that were off from this property, and they were drifting in underneath the mountain and with wheelbarrows and whatnot, and one by one they all died off before they got where they were headed for.
N: Well I can remember when going out there, there was a shaft that you had to climb up the side of the mountain to and it was on the east face of this mountain.
G: Now, did that one have the overhead tram that he built?
N: I believe there was an overhead tram
G: That would be the same property then.
N: And, again, not far from there he had a __________.
G: That’s the one, this was on the back side of the mountain
N: And he wanted to dispose of that _______ but he just didn’t …… get people who were interested in mining it. We got a couple of persons…old Bill West
R: This is Mike, Renie’s husband. Uncle Gale and Virginia
G: In my memory the last time I seen all of you was in Lehi and you had a horse and you were racing all around town.. and nothing’s changed!
R: And, it’s probably the same horse too.
G: Bit I knew when we came through Salt Lake and we headed down and I saw Lehi the only name I could remember was Renie and I knew you’d married and I thought, how would I find anybody?
N: I don’t think there’s very many Renie’s around
G: I wouldn’t recognize any of this now.
R: You might recognize Aunt Nina Herron’s house.
G: Ya, Dick pointed it out as we come by, but I mean, unless you pointed it out to me…it seems like there was kinda a big jog in the road there then
G: And then, without the chicken buildings out in the back, I wouldn’t have recognized it
R: You probably stayed there at Aunt Nina’s house, didn’t you?
G: I could have, I’ve forgotten that
R: We have been amused because one person who bought it found some secret rooms upstairs and they thought they had found something, and we’d all been up there and played in those rooms as children.
G: You know, your Dad always amazed me, course, I finally drifted into the carpentry trade, or that’s the card I ended up holding so that I could work, but he could sit down on the ground with a square and lay the whole darn thing out and it fit and I mean all the doors and everything and he crawled all out and put it up and it would fit, and with me, I followed it till I got my 25 yr pin and no way could I do that. Course I blundered into it, more than anything else.
N: Well, I think Dad’s disappointment was that neither one of his boys were interested but my boys enjoyed it and it’s just too bad Dad isn’t alive to see that. I think he’d rejoice that somebody in the family got interested in it.
G: Well, actually, I done a few houses, but it ended up mainly in heavy construction and stuff like that and I was basically in the concrete end of it in the concrete structures and like that but the company that I worked for for so many years they would and I often wondered why they would give you the jobs that they did because it was way out of your field, and I would ask them,”Well, why, why me?” and they said, “Well, we know that you’ll do it.”And so I’d say, “Well, that’s a good answer.”
N: Well, a willing horse is never without ……
G: Well, at least they kept you _________ Your Dad was good at that, he really was. Of course he understood all of it, and he could lay it out _____ and that always amazed me, because I’ve got to ____ it and check it
Dayleen: Well, where did he learn it?
N: He worked for Ford Motor Co. and something else, but he learned it down there
R: After they lost the ranch out there and Dad ended up in Idaho…didn’t your Dad end up there too. And then what became of him after that time? They stayed in Provo, I think just a few months and Grandpa and ____ and Clarence, and the whole family, they all migrated to Calif. And that’s when your Dad went into the electrical… he went to school and learned to be an electrician. And Grandpa, let’s see, I think Grandpa worked on construction, on houses, for a while, and then he went to work for the Adore Creamer, and stayed with that. As I was saying, I think he was one of the first employees they hired and when he retired, he was the oldest employee they had.
R: Well, that must have been how our Dad got into construction business, when they parted company. Dad’s and Uncle Clarence and families came down here (L.A.) and our Dad went on up to Washington.
N: They went to Idaho
N: They all went to Idaho
R: Well, ya, but then they split and Dad went to Oregon
G: From what I hear Idaho was a complete disaster. That’s where I was born, in Gooding.
R: Ya, our Dad went over from Gooding into Oregon (Washington ?) and then down the coast and must have joined up with Uncle Clarence and Grandpa in California.
G: Yuh, I can remember your Dad and Mother had a place about a half a mile from us… and I used to walk over there. And, was it cookies or something? Aunt Melba would give me…they were one of my favorites.
R: That’s when Renie came into the picture, wasn’t it?
N: I was born here, and Mother and Dad went to California. Dad wasn’t married when the Felts went to Idaho. And he went with a friend of his over to Oregon and they just bummed around for a while. And then they went down and met up with I guess Grandpa and Clarence. And then Dad _____ his relatives out ______through Aunt Nina met Mother, and then they were married, and lived here a short…. I was born here… and they lived here until I was about two months old and then Dad went back down there to work and Mother took me and went back down. In fact, Mother may have gone down there and then came back here when I was born. But they were in Calif. Twice.
G: I can remember your Dad’s book… I don’t know how I ever ended up with it and I don’t know where it is today… but he was an aircraft mechanic in WWI and I can remember the old half of a propeller they had down there at Grandmother’s place
R: Their boy still has it
G: He has, huh?
N: It’s a decoration in his bedroom
G: I was always interested in Engines and I know when I was in..it’s before you go to high school…it was where you had to read books or something..some kind of a class…and that’s the book I read….his WWI Engine manual on aircraft engines really interested me. But how I ever got that I don’t know. But I’ll never forget reading it and I don’t know where it ever went too.
N: Well, I guess Taylor, he had a small business and he made some kind of small parts for government projects
G: A…aircraft parts. He started that up during WWII in our hobby shop in the back yard and he had, oh, a lathe and a drill press and a milling machine. In fact, we bought our first lathe…I don’t know how they ever sold it to us. We were only just little kids and we went down to the machine company and bought us a 9”lathe on time and we had paper routes. But to this day I don’t know how. I mean if some kids came into you and wanted to buy something and they had a paper route and sold magazines I don’t think you’d sell them anything. But we bought it and paid for it and we kept adding to it… we always enjoyed the shop in the back yard so during the war his health got kinda bad and so the doctor advised him to leave, and so he went home and contracted out of there from the company he’d been working for and that was going pretty good after the war so we went into partners and built a bigger place down in Lennox near Northrup, who was our best customer. We did work for them and then day and night water heaters..we got into___ construction jobs. We weren’t really set up for that, but there were some lean time then and…there was feast and famine… and then finally we sold out…and like I told the other ones he went out to Tarzana and I went down to Costa Mesa, Calif. I went into a completely unrelated field. I never really did plan my life…I just kinda drifted.
G: One of my sons is in Santa Ana, Calif. He’s a detective there now. But he use to be on one of the ______ there now. If you ever want a thrill get a ride along in a big city on a Saturday night.
D: I better get his name. In case I get in trouble
Dayleen: He’s got a few of those speeding tickets.
D: I get down around Santa Ana
G: Well now, he’s the only one of my boys who has really been interested in the Mormon religion out of the whole bunch. The other ones are about lie me…I mean they… but he, during WWII met up with some of the Mormons in Germany and he got religion there and got real active in the church and in fact, he must have been a pretty good missionary before he even really got started because his fiancée back here (she’s from San Clemente 15-20 miles below Costa Mesa) would come up to visit us while he was in the service-oh, maybe once a week or something. Gary wrote two or three letters that said that he got interested in the Mormon religion in Germany, so Charlene came up to me (that’s his fiancée at the time) and said, “You know, Gary’s gotten really interested in and joined the Mormon Church (I mean, gotten involved, not baptized), and I like my religion and I don’t want to change.” I said, “Well, that’s up to you.” And I’ll be darned, she came by about 3 or 4 months later and she said, “You know, I’ve been going to the Mormon Church, and I like it so much I joined.” So, he must have been writing some pretty good letters.
G: This one son, I don’t want to bore you with the kids, but he was the ideal soldier. Before he was 18 he wanted me to enlist him. As soon as he got out of high school he wanted to enlist in the service. I told him no I wouldn’t enlist him until he was 18 and then it would be his own choice, but the day he was 18 he went down and signed up. When he was in boot camp he got his first stripe. I mean that’s how eager he was. But he enlisted in the tank force… I must be chicken hearted or something, but ___ that’s what they (my sons) aim at! But while he was in there he was kind of disillusioned with the kind of people who were going into the service and their attitudes. What little we talked to him when we could get up and visit with him and like that well, he says “If I’m going into battle I don’t know whether I want these guys helping me or not, whether you can depend on them or not.” While he was in there the Green Berets came by and invited him to join them so he went that route. On one parachute jump he was injured.. he landed in the trees instead of the ____ and they sent him to Germany on a medical hold and after he had been there about a year, well his leg was still bad enough that they told him he’d finish out his tour right there. So then he got leave and came home and got married and took his wife back and they spent his last year there and that’s where their oldest daughter was born.
D: When was he in the service?
G: That would have had to have been…probably in the middle ‘60s. Wait a minute. I take that back. What were their enlistments? 4 years?
R: I think 3 years
G: 3? Okay. Let’s see he got out probably in 71 so it was probably 68. Because I can remember I was really sick in the hospital and I didn’t thin I had any chance of making it with the next thing they wanted to do with me… so I decided to go home and wait because he was coming home on this leave to marry Charlene and I wanted to be there for the wedding. In fact, I actually ran away from the hospital…they told me I couldn’t leave, and I just walked out, but luckily my oldest son was there to pick me up and they told me if they got me back within a week they’d still have a place for me. Then after about 3 or 4 days I knew I had to go back, so I went back.
G: I can’t imagine anyone enlisting in the tank force. In the back of my mind I know why he did it, because his hero was Dan Gurney the race driver, and Dan drove a tank during the world war, and I think that’s why he did that.
R: Was his name Gary
N: We have a Gary
G: Oh, you have?
N: Our oldest boy is Gary
G: Well, you never know what your kids are going to do. Mine have all been completely different. Like this, Gary-when he got out of the service, he came home for a month, and then he said he had to go back to school, and then he went down somewhere in Texas with the government to school. He was always a planner. He’d know what he was going to do six months ahead of time or the next year after that. Well, he had this lined up before he even got out of the service. I asked him what they were going to teach him down there and he he said they were going to teach him how to be a burglar. And that’s all he’d tell me. He said,”I can’t tell you what it is.” He stayed in that 2 or 3 years and it was espionage. They could send him anywhere in the world. I think it was probably one of these groups that Nixon was nailed for. But he was lucky. He asked for the Santa Ana area and got that. But all the while he was working at that he would never tell me what he was doing. But then he gets out of that and goes into the police force. But actually when he got out he told me what they were doing, but he says you don’t stay in that too long because if you known your chances aren’t too good so most of them stay about two years and then move on and that’s what he did.
R: How many children do you have?
G: 4 boys. But now he’s stopped that and he had a Mooring and Maintenance Service in Newport Beach Harbor and then he moved on up on that deal treasure hunting and met this fellow who set him up on the Marina to manage that and then when they sold that out well he moved to ____port…in fact, that’s where I thought I had it made. They bought property there, and I was in Calif. Visiting, and he called up and says, “Come back up. We I’ve got to get out the park, (they sold it) and I want somebody to sit on the property I bought in _____.” Well, it was bare ground up on the mountain and no utilities in and in the middle of winter and he says,” I want you to sit on this stuff so nobody will steal it while we get set up.” So he went up there and put the utilities and got it all whipped up and we moved in there and I made a deal with him to put my little house trailer. I put it on the corner of their lot and thought “this is going to be great because they will be there and when I want to leave somebody will watch my stuff.” Well, we weren’t there but a short time and about 50 miles away they found a little store that had been abandoned, so they opened that up, a little grocery store out in the boonies, and it’s been a gold mine. I mean all of the neighborhood around there were people telling them they’ go flat on their face, but they’ve really made it pay. But he’s settled down quite a bit now.
D: What’s his name?
G: Randy, and then there’s Gary and then there’s Ted and Tom. Now Tom… The sequence is …Randy’s the oldest, and then Tom and Gary and Ted. Well, Tom, #2 is in Washington D.C. in the Library of Congress. That’s what he went to college for, but I never thought it was much to be a librarian, but he went 5 years, but his counselor flubbed him up and he took the wrong courses. He needs 4 years and then I guess 2 years post graduate and he would have had to go two more years, he missed a year because of the courses he took. And it kind of disheartened him and, of course, the service was staring him in the face, and so he enlisted in the Navy. And I’m kind of glad he did, because that was right at the point where all this stuff was going on in the colleges and I didn’t like what they were doing at all. But he didn’t go back to college after he got out of the Navy he went right into the Library of Congress. But now he’s evidently doing pretty good. I’ve only seen him 3 times, I’ve never been back there, but he’s been out, but he’s moving up. He’s good at that as long as he stays on paper work, but if he has to use his hands, he’s lost.
G: Well, now he’s in computers
G: You know they have their regular promotions, but he got two special ones in one year…I don’t know, the head of the department or something told him he was a genius, and he said,”I’ll never live that down, because I’m sure not.” But he loves it. Can you imagine, when I moved from Calif. I had my van truck, let’s see, that was a 12 foot van, 8’wide and 8’tall, and it was ¾ full with his books. He had over 11,000 books stored in that house that he’d bought, he was a book worm, and he worked in a drug store, and that put him through college there but he spent most of his money, though, buying books.
R: Where did he go to college?
G: At Irvine. It hadn’t been opened too long and that was right close to where we live. Yup, he was a book nut
R: What didn’t you like about colleges?
G: I didn’t like it, the way things were going in school, so I wasn’t sorry at all when he….the only thing was I figured he would go back to college after he got out but he just didn’t seem to want to. But you know he could go back there on the G.I. Bill.
G: What amazed me, though, was here….he went into the service, and before you know he’s back and, of course, he went through this other government stuff, and then he went into the police force, and then I went down and went on this ride and all with him and I mean he was a man then. All I could remember was the kid. But some of the things that happen; I mean, if I had to work with that every night I’m afraid I’d never sleep.
G: But he did tell me when he was out ____ on the____it was the only job I ever had where I really looked forward to going to work. Course you never know what’s happening next. But it’s a good thing his wife doesn’t know what goes on. She’s very easy going and doesn’t take things too seriously. If she don’t like something she just drops out, so she’ll probably get by all right. But what they don’t do in a night, though, at least what I saw. But some of the cases, he says he gets on, you know, they could rub you out. I mean there’s a lot of money involved in there. A couple of years ago he had a case he worked on for about six months on the Assistant District Attorney and his big problem was who to go to because you don’t know who. Then the last one that came along that was big was some kind of high power stuff that when he first started it he thought it was local, and then it was state-wide and then it was inter-state and then the FBI came in and then he just held______ but he said he was glad at that point that he was just a helper. Oh, I know I talked to this, one man I got to go on the ride with...I had a chance to talk to his wife and that, and he hadn’t been out on the street very long then and he said Gary was going to make a good officer, but he said the biggest problem they had that after they’ve been in for a little while they start judging them instead of just____ and then they get in trouble, but thought that Gary would work out all right. But he was also very fortunate, he got into the department there were only about a little over 100 officers, and then some manpower commission come through and said they were way undermanned and they _____up to about 350, so he has good seniority, which is very good.
G: My youngest son, about the age of 5, got rheumatoid arthritis and he’s about 30. since he’s moved to Washington he’s burned himself out, but the damage is there. He’s in photography, he works for a camera shop in Shelton, Washington. He doesn’t have much energy, but its ideal for his cause he can work just about, set his own hours, and work as long as he wants. When he gets tired he can leave and not. It’s worked out
R: Is that close to where you live?
G: That’s about 16 miles away, but it hurts me…he had his choice of going with his mother or myself; well, I’m glad that he went with his mother because they were really close, and even though we couldn’t get along she needs somebody with her like that. Even the fact that we don’t get along… I don’t get to see much of him, and that hurts. Well, and other problems.
R: How long have you been there?
G: I’ve been in Washington I think about 7 yrs.. but I’ve just been in _______ going on about 3 years… I’ve lost track of time. I divorced my first wife, well, it wasn’t too long after I was up there. I’d say probably a year after we were up there that we separated and my health was pretty bad in fact, it went way down, so far down that I made out my will and gave everything to all the kids. I thought the end had come. And, they brought me back and I felt good, so good I started chasing girls again.
G: I’ll have to tell you a good one on how we met. My youngest son, Ted, I mean he’s real small and _______ he’s got to put 3 or 4 persons under him and behind him… and he had a ’62 Corvair that at first was my first wife’s car and then my #2 son got it and then while the was in the service, my #3 son got out first so he used it, and then he got through with it and he sent it up to Ted, and I went down and drove it back so Ted could have a car. Well, his mother took it out and got on the ice and went off the road and really bunged it up so it wouldn’t work for anything, and so I pounded it back out and so he used it, but I have promised him a car that would fit him as soon as I got paid for the home that we sold in Calif. Because it had a _____thing on it, and I was getting the want ads in the paper to find a car for him, and I was looking through the want ads looking for a car, and in the want ads I saw this little notice there “Are you over 50 and lonely?” And I thought, well I’m over 50 and I’m lonely…I was living up on the mountain and was beginning to feel good. So I answered it, and what it was, you send in $40 and you would send in what you was looking for in a woman. Well all of these women, and the men would send this in and then the ones from the men would go to the women’s list and the ones from the women go the other way, and they had telephone numbers and then it was up to you from then on. And lo, and behold, Virginia called me up. We hit it off. The first time we met… but we’ve been very happy. In fact, I wish I’d met her years and years before. I call her my rich widow.